Heckling during any kind of presentation isn't the answer, regardless of where you stand on ANY issue. Yelling only makes your voice heard, not your message.
On a different note.....
I know I've been quite quiet for some time now here at S4I.
I've been busy looking over as much 9/11 information as humanly possible.
I guess that's why i removed myself for awhile.
I needed to extricate myself from all this "Art of Distraction."
I've gone over all the tiny url's by hnic, LB@200, etc...(not Lee, 'cause she is not compelled to prove her points).
Regardless....I have an announcement.
I think I may have to accept that there is no conspiracy. We should not allow ourselves to become distracted from the issues at hand.
Make no mistake, I still don't support Bush or his criminal cronies, but there is no conspiracy. I've looked. and I believe.
I still believe that the Katrina aftermath and how it's been handled is atrocious. I believe that Global Warming, despite being a natural progression, has been accelerated by the human race. I believe that going to war with Iran is a colassal (sp?) mistake.
But 9/11 itself....the proof is there. Millions of video, audio etc captured what happened that day.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall speed"...which in and of itself is nothing but a buzz word, much like "dustification".
And ANYBODY who takes the time to STUDY the construction of WTC7 and STUDY all the evidence would know it did not fall down due to CD.
Much like the horse shit statement about "Steel framed buildings have never collapsed from fire", the "melted steel" crap is getting old also.
NO OTHER 1300+ FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT AND THEN HIT BY AIRLINERS!!! Can you read? Do you not hear what you are saying? Is logic a foreign concept to those pointed little heads?
What the hell do you yahoos want them to do to convince you? Go out and reconstruct the WTC buildings exactly and then fly airliners into them and see what happens? Then you'd be bitching about all the money wasted that could have gone to Katrina victims or some other whack job BS.
What the hell do you yahoos want them to do to convince you?
The same thing we have been asking your reactionary yahoos for from the start, a new, independent, HONEST investigation. No one run by a corrupt, lying administration.
Yawn...sameo lameo...You wouldn't know truth or logic if it bit you in the ass.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall" speed. Watch the vidoes and see the debris field falling at "free fall", but not the buildings themselves.
The Towers were NOT designed to take the impact of a loaded 757/767 at full throttle. They were designed to take the impact of a 707 at APPROACH speed and low on fuel.
There's not going to be any "New Independent" investigation because one is not needed.
I'm not the one in here who has mental issues. Your blind hatred of GWB approaches delusional levels.
There's no reason to study WTC7 because it's already explained.
What the fuck is taking you so long to grow up and accept what happened as exactly that Homer? DOH!
...and your Cup & Brick experiment is Bullshit and means nothing except how easy it is for you to accept pseudo science as "fact"...have some more Kool Aid.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall" speed. Watch the videos and see the debris field falling at "free fall", but not the buildings themselves.
We don't know what videos you're looking at, but all the one's we've seen look exactly like CONTROLLED DEMOLITION! The same speed and timing. No resistance from the structure below the impact area!!!
The Towers were NOT designed to take the impact of a loaded 757/767 at full throttle. They were designed to take the impact of a 707 at APPROACH speed and low on fuel.
The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, as the large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
thank you bill maher for silencing the truth about 911 we must keep the masses believing muslim terrorists destroyed the twin towers instead of the CIA, otherwise how can we justify invading nations that never attacked us and eroding the civil liberties of americans?
"Keep walking towards the light Shirl...one step at a time. It'll get brighter.
Where would you like to go for your next step down the path...GW? Katrina? The Real "Truth" shall set you free."
...just goes to show that all it takes are some thoughtful words and someone will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous. I'll admit I was expecting a bit more of a kerfuffle, but alas...
sorry LB, not trying to pick on you specifically. Just trying to make a point, no matter how weak.
I still don't agree with the heckling, but it doesn't change my mind about anything.
No one has explained how any of these structures collapsed at or near the speed of gravity. Period. You are simply taking a corrupt administration's word for what happened.
"NO OTHER 1300+ FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT AND THEN HIT BY AIRLINERS!!! Can you read? Do you not hear what you are saying? Is logic a foreign concept to those pointed little heads?"
Logic would dictate (on this planet) that structures, regardless of impact damage, would not collapse THROUGH the path of MOST resistance.
Do the Cup and Brick experiment and see for your self!
"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty." - President Bush Speaks to United Nations, November 10, 2001 "We don't know what we don't know." -Donald H. Rumsfeld
"This site & all these moron conspiracy theorists have accomplised (sic) what they set out to do-raise doubt. No proof is necessary-just doubt." - Anonymous, 7/28/2007
"In light of that sorry record of the propagandistic exploitation of the 9/11 tragedy for partisan political purpose, is it any wonder that large numbers of Americans have doubts about all of it and that a considerable industry of documentaries and investigative reports has sprung up with alternative theories ranging from the plausible to the absurd? http://www.commondreams.org" -Robert Scheer, 9/11/2006
39 comments:
Typical of all the "Troofers"...a real class act by the disrupters...typical 2nd grader antics.
"You can't handle the truth!"
I don't agree with these actions at all.
Heckling during any kind of presentation isn't the answer, regardless of where you stand on ANY issue. Yelling only makes your voice heard, not your message.
On a different note.....
I know I've been quite quiet for some time now here at S4I.
I've been busy looking over as much 9/11 information as humanly possible.
I guess that's why i removed myself for awhile.
I needed to extricate myself from all this "Art of Distraction."
I've gone over all the tiny url's by hnic, LB@200, etc...(not Lee, 'cause she is not compelled to prove her points).
Regardless....I have an announcement.
I think I may have to accept that there is no conspiracy. We should not allow ourselves to become distracted from the issues at hand.
Make no mistake, I still don't support Bush or his criminal cronies, but there is no conspiracy. I've looked. and I believe.
I still believe that the Katrina aftermath and how it's been handled is atrocious. I believe that Global Warming, despite being a natural progression, has been accelerated by the human race. I believe that going to war with Iran is a colassal (sp?) mistake.
But 9/11 itself....the proof is there. Millions of video, audio etc captured what happened that day.
OKAY...I'm now ready to field your responses...
Keep walking towards the light Shirl...one step at a time. It'll get brighter.
Where would you like to go for your next step down the path...GW? Katrina? The Real "Truth" shall set you free.
What about Bldg WTC 7?
Then explain "GLOBAL FAILURE" which lead to collapse. (at the speed of gravity)when NIST can't.
Even if we accept the "melting steel" theory, how can you explain such rapid, symmetrical, dynamic collapse?
How does looking at the video convince you that it was NOT CD?
We are still not convinced.
Oh Lord...you people just can't get it can ya'?
The buildings did not fall at "free fall speed"...which in and of itself is nothing but a buzz word, much like "dustification".
And ANYBODY who takes the time to STUDY the construction of WTC7 and STUDY all the evidence would know it did not fall down due to CD.
Much like the horse shit statement about "Steel framed buildings have never collapsed from fire", the "melted steel" crap is getting old also.
NO OTHER 1300+ FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT AND THEN HIT BY AIRLINERS!!! Can you read? Do you not hear what you are saying? Is logic a foreign concept to those pointed little heads?
What the hell do you yahoos want them to do to convince you? Go out and reconstruct the WTC buildings exactly and then fly airliners into them and see what happens? Then you'd be bitching about all the money wasted that could have gone to Katrina victims or some other whack job BS.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall speed" ROFTLMAO
10 seconds top to bottom! If that's not "free fall" we don't know what is .
NO OTHER 1300+ FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT AND THEN HIT BY AIRLINERS!!!
The building were DESIGNED to withstand such an event, regardless
there's no way they can explain the collapse with that as the trigger event.
What the hell do you yahoos want them to do to convince you?
The same thing we have been asking your reactionary yahoos for from the start, a new, independent, HONEST investigation. No one run by a corrupt, lying administration.
What's the problem with that?
Nothing.
hen you'd be bitching about all the money wasted that could have gone to Katrina victims or some other whack job BS.
Or mental health programs YOU might someday need.
And ANYBODY who takes the time to STUDY the construction of WTC7 and STUDY all the evidence would know it did not fall down due to CD.
Then what the fuck is taking NIST so long to release the final report, Einstein?
We're not buying your unsupported "theories"...
You obviously did not do the Cup and Brick experiment.
Yawn...sameo lameo...You wouldn't know truth or logic if it bit you in the ass.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall" speed. Watch the vidoes and see the debris field falling at "free fall", but not the buildings themselves.
The Towers were NOT designed to take the impact of a loaded 757/767 at full throttle. They were designed to take the impact of a 707 at APPROACH speed and low on fuel.
There's not going to be any "New Independent" investigation because one is not needed.
I'm not the one in here who has mental issues. Your blind hatred of GWB approaches delusional levels.
There's no reason to study WTC7 because it's already explained.
What the fuck is taking you so long to grow up and accept what happened as exactly that Homer? DOH!
...and your Cup & Brick experiment is Bullshit and means nothing except how easy it is for you to accept pseudo science as "fact"...have some more Kool Aid.
The buildings did not fall at "free fall" speed. Watch the videos and see the debris field falling at "free fall", but not the buildings themselves.
We don't know what videos you're looking at, but all the one's we've seen look exactly like CONTROLLED DEMOLITION! The same speed and timing.
No resistance from the structure below the impact area!!!
The Towers were NOT designed to take the impact of a loaded 757/767 at full throttle. They were designed to take the impact of a 707 at APPROACH speed and low on fuel.
Well excussssssssse us!
I'm not the one in here who has mental issues. Your blind hatred of GWB approaches delusional levels.
What does GWB have to do with the truth, other than nothing??
There's no reason to study WTC7 because it's already explained.
Then where's the final report, Einstein? BS
The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, as the large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
The Fat Lady has yet to sing...
"While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event,"
DUH!
"This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation."
DOH!
thank you bill maher for silencing the truth about 911
we must keep the masses believing muslim terrorists destroyed the twin towers instead of the CIA, otherwise how can we justify invading nations that never attacked us and eroding the civil liberties of americans?
good work bill
"instead of the CIA,"...
The CIA destroyed the WTC? hmmmmm
Didn't know they had Internet access in the Insane Asylum.
"Keep walking towards the light Shirl...one step at a time. It'll get brighter.
Where would you like to go for your next step down the path...GW? Katrina? The Real "Truth" shall set you free."
...just goes to show that all it takes are some thoughtful words and someone will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous. I'll admit I was expecting a bit more of a kerfuffle, but alas...
sorry LB, not trying to pick on you specifically. Just trying to make a point, no matter how weak.
I still don't agree with the heckling, but it doesn't change my mind about anything.
Independent Investigation will set you free.
Anon: Is the CIA responsible for attacks on the rest of the world, too or are the TERRORISTS responsilbe for those?
Did anyone notice that the wackos in the audience weren't getting much support from the rest of the audience?
Geez Lee what do you have against the TRUTH?
What do you have against FACTS?
I don't have a problem with the TRUTH Shoes, YOU do. You can't accept it.
Neither FACTS or TRUTH are on your side...
No one has explained how any of these structures collapsed at or near the speed of gravity. Period. You are simply taking a corrupt administration's word for what happened.
"NO OTHER 1300+ FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER BEEN BUILT AND THEN HIT BY AIRLINERS!!! Can you read? Do you not hear what you are saying? Is logic a foreign concept to those pointed little heads?"
Logic would dictate (on this planet) that structures, regardless of impact damage, would not collapse THROUGH the path of MOST resistance.
Do the Cup and Brick experiment and see for your self!
Cup and Brick=Kool Aid glass and the density of Troofers brains.
Logic would dictate (on this planet) that structures, regardless of impact damage, would not collapse THROUGH the path of MOST resistance.
Besides science, you never were much on engineering in school were ya'?
YOU are disregarding FACTS and TRUTH BECAUSE you hate this administration.
No, we have not been TOLD the whole TRUTH, that's all we are asking for.
What is the problem with that?
A Thorough, Independent, Investigation. Nothing more, Nothing Less.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Post a Comment