Wednesday, August 22, 2007

EXPERTS Agree! (We are not alone)

More than 600 prominent experts -- including General Wesley Clark -- have joined Patriots Question 9/11 -- a site focused on responsible criticism of the 9/11 Commission's Report. A brief overview:
Many well known and respected senior U.S. military officers, intelligence services and law enforcement veterans, and government officials have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report or have made public statements that contradict the Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11. This website is a collection of their statements.
Read their statements. They are experts in various fields, including U.S. intelligence, aviation and engineering. They question the official story. As we all should!

47 comments:

Shirley Heezgay said...

"We need real investigation of some of the abuses of authority that are apparently going on at the Executive branch. ... We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had." ~ General Wesley Clark

A highly decorated and respected official is saying that the investigation was never finished.

He is just one of hundreds of respected experts in their fields, most of which are expressing non-partisan motivated opinions of the 9/11 Commission.

Speaks for itself. How many critics will take the time to go over all the pages like we will?

H Nicole said...

I just sent an e-mail to "Patriots Question 9/11" asking if I can join this group since they appear to allow "former" professors in, and I was a former assistant professor of biochemistry at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, TX at one point. I certainly have a publication list to die for (or at least I did -- my last publication was in 2002).

We'll see. I'll let you guys know, though I am not 100% gung-ho on some things about this group, not the least of which is the quality and authenticity of some of the scientists that are prominently featured there.

I also don't like the fact that several people are listed under two different categories, and one guy, Commander Ted Muga, is actually listed under three different categories ("military", "engineers", and "professors.")

I know its nothing major -- just some possible numbers inflation -- but still. It's kinda tough for somebody like me to join a group that is claiming to get to the heart of "misrepresentation of information" when the first thing I notice is that they seem to be inflating the number of members they have!

moneysmith said...

It was fascinating to read the comments about the Pentagon by aviation and military experts, who basically agreed that the "official story" could not be true. If they're asking questions, something's wrong.

CB_Brooklyn said...

Reynolds Makes a Federal Case of 9/11 —
Sues NIST Contractors for 9/11 Plane Fraud


Morgan Reynolds
August 21, 2007

Summary:
Last month the U.S. District Court, Southern New York, unsealed a 9/11 case filed by Dr. Morgan Reynolds, thereby making the case public. Reynolds is suing on behalf of the United States of America after the U. S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York who represents "the government" declined to intervene in the case. The suit, a so-called qui tam case, alleges that the 9/11 contractors NIST hired to investigate destruction of the WTC Towers on 9/11 defrauded the U.S. government of substantial money by rendering bogus, impossible physical analysis and animations about how two hollow aluminum aircraft (allegedly Boeing 767s) flew into a steel/concrete tower and disappeared. Yet it can be easily demonstrated, after a great deal of hard work by dedicated 9/11 researchers, that no planes hit the towers. The office of Reynolds' attorney, Jerry V. Leaphart of Connecticut, is now serving(notifying) the defendants in the suit, including Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), Applied Research Associates (ARA), Boeing, American Airlines, United Airlines and Silverstein Properties. I will post new information on the case as developments warrant.
Unsealed Complaint PDF here.

Source

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

http://tinyurl.com/3xno7t

WC is what is known as a "ticket puncher". He is a false "warrior". Just because he got his dumbass shot does not make him a "hero" by any means at all.

Do your research kiddies...don't believe the hype.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

" Col. David Hackworth, in his 1999 commentary Defending America, wrote of Clark: Known by those who've served with him as the Ultimate Perfumed Prince, he's far more comfortable in a drawing room discussing political theories than hunkering down in the trenches where bullets fly and soldiers die.

Col. Jatras writes that "General Clark is the kind of general we saw too often during the Vietnam War and hoped never to see again in a position of responsibility for the lives of our GIs and the security of our nation. That it happened once again we can thank that other Rhodes scholar from Arkansas."

http://tinyurl.com/32xmpx

Shirley Heezgay said...

I'm confused. Didn't WC receive a Purple Heart for the Vietnam War? I don't understand.

Oh, and:
"....he's far more comfortable in a drawing room discussing political theories than hunkering down in the trenches where bullets fly and soldiers die."

THAT'S RICH!

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

http://www.zpub.com/un/clark.html

Clark is a false warrior. Just because he got a Purple Heart means NOTHING. That's the way it was in 'nam.

Shirley Heezgay said...

By the way, Shoes, thanks for posting the link for Common Dreams.

There were pieces of info in there I didn't know about.

Peace

Shoes4Industry said...

And you served in which branch of the service, LB?

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Whether I served or not isn't the issue here. Just another one of your tactics to shift focus away from the real issue.

You ever served in an elected position? What gives you the right to critique elected officials if you've never been elected?

Beat ya' to your next point of I shouldn't criticize Clark if I never served.

Clark was a "Ticket Puncher".

Shoes4Industry said...

No you are just emulating your "chicken-hawk" role models in the Administration. All hat, no cattle.

H Nicole said...

Good link, LB@200. The group that has been coming out strongly against WC seems legitimate and surprisingly very progressive.

Makes me wonder if there is a single, high ranking government official out there (retired or not) who is even remotely clean.

At least I agree with WC that the government investigations into 9/11 have been a farce and a more thorough investigation is needed. What people don't realize is that we the citizens are the ones doing the investigation already, w/o the damn government. Who needs them? It's like sitting around asking a criminal, "Please let us investigate you so that we can convict you." What's worse is that we all seem to think that solid facts can not be uncovered unless the criminal agrees to this outrageous request.

There probably never will be a "legitimate government" investigation into 9/11 and wasting time requesting it at this point does not seem the most efficient use of our time. The only investigation will be the one we the citizens (and I hope the stinking, sorry old media doing the right thing for once) carry out ourselves, right here, right now.

moneysmith said...

CB Brooklyn, thanks for the info on the lawsuit. Keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't land on the desk of a judge who was appointed by the white house.

moneysmith said...

Let's see, a decorated war hero who devoted his life to serving the country vs. commander guy who dresses up in a flight suit and spent what, ten minutes in the national guard? The right wing swift boaters can blow me. I'm going with Clark -- no contest.

How much time did Bush/Cheney, et al, spend in Vietnam? Or in the first Gulf war? Or anywhere that would have caused them the slightest bit of discomfort or inconvenience? Careers spent on their asses in air-conditioned offices makes them military experts? Please.

H Nicole said...

Here is a more direct link straight to the Morgan Reynolds' lawsuit:

http://tinyurl.com/2nw5bd

I actually had a big falling out with these "no plane" people not too long ago and even believed Morgan Reynolds was yet another damn op within the 9/11 Truth Movement.

However, reading this lawsuit, is it possible that I see the faint outline of an absolutely brilliant strategy unfolding before my eyes, a strategy most likely masterminded by that genius attorney -- the Voice of Reason himself -- Mr. Jerry Leaphart?

Me thinks so, but I'd sure love to hear what the other legitimate fact finders out there think of this lawsuit.

I think the key point is that the "no plane" claim may just be a tactic to force the government and all these entities named in this suit to provide evidence to back up their claims. Wow. I wish I lived in New York because I would want a front row seat at this trial -- possibly the most important lawsuit and most important trial in the entire 200+ year history of this country!

Let's see if we have any heros left out there in the media (anybody here have any legitimate journalist-friends at FOX news, by any chance?) who will give a fair and balanced report on this lawsuit.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Actually, if somebody would do their research, they'd know that GWB had over 200+ hours of flight time in an F-102 Delta Dagger. It was one of the front line ADC interceptors during the early 60's. It was notoriously tricky to fly and unlike some goreon/moron who sat at a typewriter in 'nam, or a swift boater who shot a 15 year old kid in the back, it takes a very skilled and quick thinking pilot to fly one.

http://tinyurl.com/2sstzd

And Leslie Clark is HARDLY a war hero. Just because he has a bunch of fruit salad means nothing.....he's a "Ticket Puncher"....period. Talk about someone who spent his career in an air conditioned office while his men were doing the fighting....pffttt!!

moneysmith said...

http://tinyurl.com/2gje3x

H Nicole said...

Gaawwd. This is getting much too testosteroni pizza for me here. I'm going back to my old lover Steven for a while (stevenwarran.blogspot.com). Now shirley, heez gay!

Shoes4Industry said...

We'll put our Wes Clark up against your George "Flight-suit-Codpiece" Bush, any day.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

That was a good one money...l'dmao. Especially the JK cheerleader pic...hehehe

Shirley Heezgay said...

You're going to love this, you guys...

We're called "Truthers", those of us that have doubts or don't believe the 9/11 commission.

According to www.dictionary.com, the opposite of truth is:

falseness, illusion, make-believe, pretense, dishonest, lying, untruthful, dishonesty, disloyalty, falsehood, untruth and invention.

Looks like the "Truther" branding was a bit of a unconscious slip.

That was fun.

Shoes4Industry said...

That would, by definition, make those opposed to finding out the Truth, 9/11 Liars..catchy!

Shirley Heezgay said...

I thought you'd like that!

moneysmith said...

Shirley, you ROCK!

H Nicole said...

That was a good post, Money. I missed it as I was posting my response to LB@200. The blog actually got pretty fun after I left. I should leave more often!

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Herr Goebbels would be proud of you. PERFECT example of taking a falsehood and making it the "Truth".

H Nicole said...

We were overdue for another round of faxes to Congress on 9/11 issues. My Metro Hi-Speed Fax account is working over-time tonight!


August 24, 2007

RE: A Letter Placing Every Member of Congress on Notice of a Qui Tam Lawsuit Concerning 9/11 Issues

Dear Congressperson:

The purpose of this letter, which is being faxed to all 535 members of the United States House and Senate, is to put each representative of every United States citizen on notice of an important qui tam lawsuit concerning 9/11 issues. A copy of the lawsuit can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/2nw5bd

The following description of the lawsuit can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/2fvgnv

"Last month the U.S. District Court, Southern New York, unsealed a 9/11 case filed by Dr. Morgan Reynolds... (to the end)"

According to available information on qui tam cases [http://quitamhelp.com/static/facts/facts.html], the government can chose to intervene in qui tam lawsuits at any time on behalf of the plaintiff, and statistics show that when the government does so, the case has a much greater chance of success, mostly due to the unique information and evidence-gathering powers bestowed on government entities.

As a tax-paying US citizen, I have legitimate concerns as to how tax payers’ money is being spent by the government, especially when the circumstances surrounding government contracts to private entities smacks of fraud. I can assure you that there is a very large and continuously growing contingency of my fellow disgruntled US citizens who are, like me, extremely dissatisfied with how government money was spent on investigations into the events of 9/11/01 and on the unprofessional, incomplete, scientifically unsound official reports that resulted from these so-called investigations.

As representatives of the citizens of the United States of America, I expect every member of Congress to be just as concerned, if not moreso, as Morgan Reynolds, his soft-spoken yet highly persuasive attorney Mr. Jerry Leaphart, myself, and countless other concerned citizens regarding shabby investigation techniques, conflicts of interest, and misleading data-reporting about 9/11 being carried out by private entities with government funds. I therefore also fully expect every member of Congress to actively support government intervention in this lawsuit.

Sincerely,

H. Nicole Young, Ph.D.
hn_young@yahoo.com
Representative of the Citizens of the United States of America

H Nicole said...

2 firefighters hurt at Ground Zero site:

http://tinyurl.com/3xcej6


Things are getting dicey in NYC!

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Actually read all 34 pages of the PDF...sad....very sad.

Shirley Heezgay said...

"Herr Goebbels would be proud of you. PERFECT example of taking a falsehood and making it the "Truth". "

Is that the best you can do?

What was false about my post? those are what one would call facts. Undisputable facts.

Black/White
Short/Tall

Truth/Lie

moneysmith said...

Shirley, keep up the great work! H Nic, don't leave more often!! You, Shoes and Shirley are doing all the heavy lifting, not to mention actual thinking.

moneysmith said...

Troll Alert: I refuse to have a battle of the wits with unarmed opponents. Sorry, those comments don't deserve replies.

Meanwhile, I'm off to the notorious "hate site," DailyKos, to write a diary honoring three soldiers who died in Iraq, while my teammates cover the 14 who died in the helicopter crashes. I'm sure you can use that famous right-wing logic to twist that into how we're emboldening the enemy.

After that, I'm doing another "hate-filled" DKos diary on some of the tax-payer funded medical research that no one ever bothers to tell us about, even though it could save millions of lives and spare untold suffering.

So I'll be busy spreading the "hate" around, while you're here taking cheap shots at intelligent, open-minded, concerned individuals who just want answers to questions growing numbers of people are asking. Don't hurt yourselves typing, lee and LB, or re-open an old "war wound."

Lee said...

No one said honoring the soldiers emboldens the enemy. But one does embolden the enemy when one says that we have not achieved any progress, never will achieve any progress & that the war is lost.

And if you check, you will see thatshoes is the one that started all this "hate-speech" BS turning disagreements into hate speech. Just because people don't agree with one another doesn't mean they hate one another.

H Nicole said...

Here is what some of the troops living it in Iraq have to say (one of them was even shot in the head while this was being written), as publised in the NY Times Op-Ed section:

http://tinyurl.com/3bvpa6

Shoes4Industry said...

Hate speech is hate speech.

Shirley Heezgay said...

hnicole: Oh yeah. I just went to visit mr. warran's site...he seems kinda gay! LOL

H Nicole said...
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H Nicole said...

Well, I can assure you surely, Shirley -- heez gay!

You have to go to his alter ego blog for the juicy stuff, though, called steven-war-ran instead of stevenwarran...

http://steven-war-ran.blogspot.com/

Don't mean to be a match-maker, but he is another 9/11 Truther after all, and he is kinda cute...

Shirley Heezgay said...

LOL
I went to the "juicy" site, too.

Yes, he is kinda cute, but I think my husband might have issues with me dating anyone, much less Steven Warran.

;)

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Husband?...so much for my trip to Canada.

Shirley Heezgay said...

You weren't invited.

Shirley Heezgay said...

~~or were you looking for a date?

Sorry, I'm no "Grade A Whore" that will give you a b***job on the corner.

stayhungry said...

Don't worry, Shirley, no one thinks that of you. But I'm pretty sure that LB hasn't had many dates that didn't involve money changing hands. (And I don't mean to suggest that he was the one being paid.)

Shirley Heezgay said...

Ouch.

I just want to remind all that THOSE WERE HIS WORDS.

Once again, in an effort to intercept any misconceptions, LB@@00 IS NOT ONE OF THE BOYS.

Sorry, LB....just having some fun on a Saturday night. Regardless of where one stands, it's okay to have SOME fun, right?

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

No offense taken bud.

Yes, I was trying to be humorous....I have no problem with "the boys"...I was just broken hearted you had a husband...I know a cute guy I'm sure you'd like...LMAO

And...I've never paid for "it" in my life...KMA...

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

here....pull my finger...Sun AM humor after a beer Sat PM....