Monday, November 12, 2007

Global Warming, Obesity and Corn - The REAL Axis of Evil.

It seems that one of the best ways to fight Global Warming is to wage war on OBESITY and bad food products!

WASHINGTON (AP) — America's obesity epidemic and global warming might not seem to have much in common. But public health experts suggest people can attack them both by cutting calories and carbon dioxide at the same time.

How? Get out of your car and walk or bike half an hour a day instead of driving. And while you're at it, eat less red meat. That's how Americans can simultaneously save the planet and their health, say doctors and climate scientists...

70 comments:

moneysmith said...

Yeah, baby, that should get the Sean O'Reillys going. But aside from that, you make an excellent point.

Factory farming and particularly raising animals for food is destroying the planet, and it's not just global warming. Frances Moore Lappe's book, Diet for a Small Planet, published more than thirty years ago, was one of the first to make a powerful case for a plant-based diet. There have many others since, along with studies showing the health benefits of eating low on the food chain.

The really great part, though, is that only hippies are paying any attention, so we get to watch the carnivores keel over, one by one. Ha! Mother Nature's going to have the last word after all, guys!!

Shoes4Industry said...

Connect the Dots...

Lee said...

Hey hippies with all your concern about GW, eating healthy and exercising for good health have you given up smoking your joints yet?

Shoes4Industry said...

President Bush's six-year invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq will end up costing Americans about $1.5 trillion, or nearly twice as much as the White House has actually spent to fight its wars, because of unseen costs like inflation, rising oil prices and expensive care for wounded veterans.

The estimate was revealed in a report from Congress's Joint Economic Committee. The staff report, titled "The Hidden Costs of the Iraq War," estimates that the Iraq and Afghan wars have cost the average family more than $20,000.

"The full economic costs of the war to the American taxpayers and the overall U.S. economy go well beyond even the immense federal budget costs already reported," said the report, which was obtained by the Washington Post.

The White House apparently has vastly underestimated the war's costs. It requested $804 billion -- just more than half the total costs -- to keep up its wars and occupations through 2008.

Heck of a job Bushie!

Lee said...

John Coleman, creator of the Weather Channel, blamed "dastardly scientists" and "environmental whackos" for GW hysteria. He said, GW is "the greatest scam in history...an event, an manufactured crisis."

But let me guess - he's not an EXPERT!

moneysmith said...

"smoking joints"???? Wow, lee, you're dating yourself. No one smokes joints anymore.

And Coleman's no expert, he's an asshole.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

These people still think Algore is POTUS LEE, gotta' remember who you're dealin' with. They're not playing with a full deck.

Shoes4Industry said...

Ok, let's all embrace Geo. Bush, who has singlehandedly destroyed this country.

Lee said...

Of course Coleman is not an expert.So-call "experts" only agree with GW hysteria.

No one smokes joints anymore? So what is you drug of choice, hippie?Obviously, you are high on something.

And speaking of Ozone Al...Al Gore has become a partner in the venture capital firm Kleiner PerkinsCaufield & Byers (a Silicone Valley firm.)

Mr. Gore said he would donate his salary from the venture to the Alliance for Climate Protection, a non-profit policy foundation. Venture capitalist partners also typically earn a managment fee of 2 percent of the amount of money they invest, BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR HOME RUN RETURNS COMES FROM THE 20 PERCENT THEY TAKE OF THE PROFIT WHEN THE STARTUPS THEY INVEST IN GO PUBLIC OR ARE ACQUIRED.

The article they went on to say that Gore will not run for president again so, no need to worry about his being a TWO-TIME LOSER.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

GW and Carbon Credits will turn out to be the biggest scam ever foisted on the world. Goreon and The Moreons are idiots...as in mentally disturbed and defective clinical idiots.

Shoes4Industry said...

Meanwhile Bush has destroyed the country. Period.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

...you're a hoot...

Lee said...

Shoes, why do you keep repeating yourself over and over. For the last time regarding Pres. Bush, just go ahead and blame him for all the bad that has hapened in the last eight years, the present and for the next what? 20 years. You could save yourself alot of breath and who knows, that might help with your GW problem.

Shoes4Industry said...

Ok, we're glad he you don't mind spending $20,000 of your hard earned (?) money on a bogus "war on terror".

Hope you feel you got your money's worth.

Shoes4Industry said...

OK, name one POSITIVE thing Bush has done in the past 7 years, and if you say "keeping us safe from attacks on the 'homeland.'" you're admitting 9/11 was and inside job in the first place. Got it? Go.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Better $20,000 for the War on Terror than another $120,000 for the Phony War on Poverty.

Shoes4Industry said...

The actual retail price of the Bush Wars: $1.6 trillion, according to a congressional report released yesterday. And this generation of (civilian) Americans has never been asked to sacrifice a single damn thing in order to help ameliorate the cost of these historically expensive war efforts.

In this transcontinental Chinese buffet called America, we don't dig sacrifice anymore. Too effete. Too liberal. We prefer tax cuts for the super rich. We prefer our tax-deductible SUVs and all the gasoline we can bong.

Somehow, according to the most-excellent marketing strategies of Roger Ailes and Karl Rove, it's more patriotic to go around saying you're patriotic than it actually is to be patriotic. The most trenchant right-wing tools among us are proud and grateful to receive the president's unpatriotic and irresponsible rich-man welfare checks during a time of war. In fact, President Bush yesterday listed his tax cuts for the super-rich as one of his successes, while later in the day he accused the Democrats of spending like teenagers with a new credit card.

The Democrats. Spending. Like teenagers. Okay, compared to whom, Mr. President? And yet today the Wall Street Journal -- the economic newspaper of record -- had the old-man nards to editorialize that opponents of the president are insane.

That's rich. The president's ideologically-driven policies have bankrupted America, both financially and morally.

Lee said...

I'd rather spend my money on protecting our homeland (and by the way, that is the FIRST priority of our government according to the constitution) than spending it on illegal immigrants, welfare receipts and alot of other social programs that encourgage lazy people to keep sitting on the lazy, dead asses.
You know, the ones that think "land of the free" means they should GET everything for FREE!

And, FYI the morals in this country were shot long before Bush every took office.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

"editorialize that opponents of the president are insane."

...and the problem with that is? They are clinically insane, so what's the big deal?

Shoes4Industry said...

The actual retail price of the Bush Wars: $1.6 trillion,

And this makes you feel safer? Now THAT's insanity.

Lee said...

I guess you support dead lazy asses sitting on their dead lazy asses getting whatever that can for FREE wheneve they can. What a surprise!

Shoes4Industry said...

Why is it that so many voters continue to elect reactionaries who do their best to disenfranchise them? The answer, says Paul Krugman in his new book, is racism.


http://tinyurl.com/2ordg7

Shoes4Industry said...

His premise is that the narrowing of the gap between income extremes achieved under Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal was reversed and destroyed by a twisted Republican Party captured by “movement conservatives” beginning with Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980.

Shoes4Industry said...

Yes, Virginia, there is a right-wing conspiracy. That is, there is an interlocking set of institutions ultimately answering to a small group of people that collectively reward loyalists and punish dissenters.”

Whether that is a conspiracy or brute-force, tunnel-vision politics backed up by big money is open to debate. Either way, the network of publications, television channels, front groups, publishing firms and those intellectual whorehouses we call think tanks, all richly financed, have done fierce work on the liberal cause over the years. The other side, of course, has tried to match the forces of reaction in kind, but it does not begin to have the same kind of money.

Lee said...

The Blame Game - it's either George Bush or racism - YAWN.

Shoes4Industry said...

or the TRUTH!

Shoes4Industry said...

a draft report that warns global warming may have far-reaching and irreversible consequences.

The report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) encapsulates a massive overview of the global-warming problem, with the goal of guiding policymakers for the next five years.


Human activities "could lead to abrupt or irreversible climate changes and impacts."

Shoes4Industry said...

The IPCC experts agreed that the rise in Earth's temperature observed in the past few decades was principally due to human causes,not natural ones, as "climate skeptics" often aver.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

The IPCC is a bunch of whack job scientists who are in it for nothing more than the grant money to finance the carbon credit scam and further their own agenda without regard to the facts.

Shoes4Industry said...

And there's a boogie man around every corner. Who's forcing you to buy "carbon credits" in the first place?

Shoes4Industry said...

Political influence on the IPCC has been documented by the release of a memo by ExxonMobil to the Bush administration, and its effects on the IPCC's leadership. The memo led to strong Bush administration lobbying, evidently at the behest of ExxonMobil, to oust Robert Watson, one of the world's leading climate scientists, from the IPCC chairmanship, and to have him replaced by Pachauri, who was seen at the time as more mild-mannered and industry-friendly. Pachauri's statements on climate change have become stronger since taking the IPCC chairmanship as the scientific evidence has mounted.

Shoes4Industry said...

The key conclusions of the IPCC were that:

* Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
* Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.
* Anthropogenic warming and sea level rise would continue for centuries due to the timescales associated with climate processes and feedbacks, even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century .
* The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

What a bunch of horse shit...who's afraid of the boogieman around here? Ain't me...

Shoes4Industry said...

I sure sounds like it.

BOO!

Shoes4Industry said...

"Afraid the hippies are going to steal your lunch money?"

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

I was/am a hippie dumb ass. I just happen to have an IQ higher than a rock and maturity and wisdom that you'll never know.

Lee said...

Since you're so fixed racism Shoes have you read this one?

DEAL STRUCK IN La.RACISM JUDGEMENT (LA Times)
Louisiana & New Orleans leaders agreed Tuesday to help the NO DA's officd pay a racial discrimination judgement that the office's beleaguered former hed incurred when he fired white workers and replaced them with blacks.

The 3,4 million judgement stemmed from the actions of former NO Parish District Attorney Eddie Jordan, the first black elected to the position. He resigned in Oct. as state officials contemplated a takeover of his office, which had come under heavy criticism for failing to bring murderers to justice and stem a surge in violent crime after Hurricane Katrina.

After a federal jury found in 2005 that Jordan had fired dozens of white investigators and support staff based on their race, Jordan refused to set aside money for the verdict and fought a losing fight to have it overturned.

Under the deal,NO leaders agreed to provide $1 million. State officials agreeed to contribute $1.6 million and the DA's office promised to put up $300,000 from its coffers.

Even after corruption nearly destroyed their city these "leaders" still didn't learn a lesson.

Racsim: It goes BOTH ways.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Except for the deep water port facilities, NO was a cesspool of criminals and corruption that survived on ripping off a tourist trade and served no useful purpose other than a haven for career criminals.

A University conducted a test in the worthless dump called The 9th Ward that fired over 700 simulated gunshots over a period of hours....guess what...NOT ONE PHONE CALL TO THE AUTHORITIES!!! Boy howdy, now there's some worthwhile citizenry...

shoes4indstry said...

typical...blame the victims, perhaps you'd be more at home in Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous said...

To be a Republican you need to believe:

1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton

2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's Daddy made war on him , a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden"
diversion.

3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Viet Nam is vital to a spirit of
international harmony.

4. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our>
highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

5. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
multinational drug corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies,then demand their cooperation and money.

9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMO's and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

10. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

11. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

12. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the internet

13. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but Laura Bush's driving record is none of our business.

14. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

15. Supporting "Executive Privilege" for every Republican ever born,who will be born or who might be born (in perpetuity.)

16. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80's is irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

To be a Progressive Democrat you need to believe that:

1. People are responsible for their own actions and government needs to distribute wealth equitably

2. Drug users are not necessarily violent criminals.

3. Taxing the rich for the benefit of the poor is the right thing to do.

4. Everything wrong in the world is the fault of greed.

5. Al Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 presidential election.

6. The USA is a Republic founded on democratic principles.

7. Anyone who believes in God is stupid. But that is there right and they should not impose their beliefs on others.

8. Guns kill people, they should be regulated.

9. Sexual perversion is between consenting ADULTS is normal and healthy. Anal sex between men is natural. Pedophilia is illegal.

10. Welfare helps those who cannot help themselves and benefits the underprivileged in society.

11. It's a crime to drink, drive.

12. The 1% of the country that feeds the other 99% of the country do not need to be subsidized.

13. It's a crime for a sitting US President to LIE to Congress and and the American public when it exposes the identity of a covert CIA agent.

14. A tobacco farmer who ran a typewriter in 'nam is smarter and more qualified to be POTUS than a high performance fighter pilot who skipped out on going to 'Nam and
avoided the service.

15. Children have the right to free and comprehensive health care and education.

16. Clinically insane people need to be treated and cared for, for the good of society as a whole.

17. Illegal immigrants have the same human rights as US citizens.

18. Voting is a right and a responsibility.

19. Every child, regardless of race or ethnicity deserves an equal education.

20. This blog represents the search for the truth.

Anonymous said...

And people have the right to have their own blog...

Lee said...

And people have the right to disagree with people who have their own blog.

Anonymous said...

not on this site they don't...censorship reigns supreme when you're point of view isn't "progressive"....such as


To be a Progressive Democrat you need to believe that:

1. People are not responsible for their own actions and government owes them a living by charging working people taxes.

2. Criminals are just lonely and need some more money from working people to improve their life and quit being criminals.

3. All adult working white men who have money are evil and owe everyone else.

4. Everything wrong in the world is the fault of white men since time began.

5. Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election.

6. The USA is a Democracy and not a Republic.

7. Anyone who believes in God is stupid.

8. Guns kill people, people don't murder people.

9. Sexual perversion is normal and healthy. Anal sex between men is natural. Pedophilia is love.

10. Welfare whores who pop babies out by any and all men they meet are owed a living by other responsible taxpayers.

11. It's a crime to drink, drive, have a wreck and let someone die unless your name is Kennedy.

12. The 1% of the country that feeds the other 99% of the country are polluters and criminals for tilling the soil and raising animals for food.

13. It's a crime for a sitting US President to LIE to Congress and get caught, but it's OK if he sticks a cigar in a girls kootchie in the Oval Office.

14. A tobacco farmer who ran a typewriter in 'nam is smarter and more qualified to be POTUS than a high performance fighter pilot.

15. Children have the right to do whatever they want without discipline.

16. Clinically insane people need to be released into the public and are free to do what they want without retribution because they "can't help" themselves.

17. Illegal immigrants have the same rights as US citizens.

18. Voting is a right and not a priviledge.

19. Ebonics is a language. Making children learn to spell and read and do math is oppression. Not keeping score in games is natural because competition is evil. Smart children need to be brought down to the level of lazy shiftless students so the lazy ones don't "feel" bad.

20. This blog represents the main stream American.

Shoes4Industry said...

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy in Desert
2007-11-23 21:00:52
PHOENIX (Nov. 23) - A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

The woman died a short time later.

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

Lee said...

Here we go again...Whoever said that ALL ILLEGAL immigrants are criminals but I'm sure some people do feel that way... however, not ALL people believe that. But if the shoe fits? What? Can't call them criminals if there are because it is not POLITICALLY CORRECT?

And, there are lots of border patrols that have saved lives of ILLEGAL immigrants, too. Why don't you dig up one of those stories?

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

"And, there are lots of border patrols that have saved lives of ILLEGAL immigrants, too. Why don't you dig up one of those stories?"

It would likely involve White Hetero Males who carry GUNS, and that's just not "Progressive" ya' know...

Shoes4Industry said...

Perhaps that's because the Border patrol was DOING THEIR JOB, not being unjustly accused of being something which they aren't, namely "criminals."

The sooner this country wakes up and admits that it's a country OF IMMIGRANTS in the first place, we can all move on to more important topics, such as Global Climate Crisis, reclaiming Constitutional Rights and fixing the Ninth Ward.

Moving on...

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

ROTFFLMAO!!

George Lakoff said...

How can we respond to conservative attacks on our patriotism?

We were recently asked how to respond when confronted with the attack, "Aw you liberals just hate America."

No. We love democracy and we want to return it to America.
You want a presidential dictator.
We love liberty and we want to return it to America.
You want to tap our phones.
We love equality and we want to return it to America.
You think some people are better than others.
We love honesty and we want to return it to America.
You love lobbyists and corruption.
We love fairness and we want to return it to America.
You want to oppress the powerless.
We love openness and we want to return it to America.
You love secrecy and hiding the facts.
We love nature's glory and we want to return it to America.
You love the profit that comes from destroying nature.
We love community and we want to return it to America.
You want everyone to fend for himself.
We love public education and we want to return it to America.
You want to destroy public education.
We love civilian control of the military and we want to return it to America.
You want to militarize America.
And on and on...

George Lakoff
The Rockridge Institute

Anonymous said...

ROCKRIDGE?!?!?

Never mind that shit! Here comes MONGO!!

There's a new sheriff in town.

Lee said...

First of all Shoes, you keep confusing victims with criminals - learn the difference.

Yes, we are a country full of immigrants - LEGAL ones. Why is the word ILLEGAL always conventiently left out?

The Republicans love lobbyists and corrpution?... from Derrick Jackson, The Boston Globe -

THE DEMOCRATIC OINKERS

-Four of the top five senators who earmarked money in their states for defense contracts were NOT Republican hawks but LIBEAL and CENTRIST DEMOCRATS - Carl Levin of Michigan, Sen. Clinton and Charles Schumer of New York and Jack Reed of Rhode Island

-Six of the top 10 senators in defense campaign contributions in the 2006 election cycle were DEMOCRATS-Ted Kennedy of Mass., Mrs. Clinton, Chis Dodd of Connecticut, Dianne Feinstein of Cal., Bill Nelson of Florida.

-Last summer, Sen. Kennedy requested $100 MILLIION for a GE fighter eingine the Air Force said IT DID NOT NEED

-The NY Times recently reported that members of the House earmarked an extra $l.8 BILLLION to the military budget for projects the Pentagon DID NOT REQUEST. This is despite cutting earmarks BY HALF. The top earmarker at $166 million was the Chariman of the Defense Appropriations Committee, John Murtha of PA., House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Cal., asked for $32 million and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of MD., requested $26 million

-The same party that complains about Mr. Bush's no-bid contracts for Halliburton in Iraq is willing to maintain this system of funding local companies and program's that also face no competitive bidding

-The Seattle Times detailed last month how Sen. Patty Murray and Reps. Norm Dicks and Brian Baird, ALL DEMOCRATS, earmarked $17.65 million to a boat company for a vessel the Navy DID NOT ASK FOR AND NEVER USED. Mr. Murray also earmarked $6 MILLION to a company for battle gear the Army REJECTED. David Wu, an Oregon DEMOCRAT, earmarked $2 MILLION for combat T-shirts that were banned because their polyester was flammable

-Of 20 leading domestic spending earmarkers in Congress listed by the Times, 12 are DEMOCRATS.

-The Democrats recently handed the Republicans a cultural cudgel when Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Schumer were nailed trying to earmark $1 million for a museum commenorating the 1969 Woodstock concert. USA Today reported that the museum's sponsor gave the Clinton campaign $9,200 and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee $20,000 after the earmark was filed

-Even after Republicans killed earmarks by making a laughing stock of Woodstock, the site of great music and a great amount of drugs, Mr. Schumer had the nerve to say, "I'm proud of the earmarks I've pub in this bill."

I might add I have read numerous articles which have called Big Mouth Murtha "The King of Pork."

So now, what is your point about Republicans loving the lobbyists???

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Democrat=rob the poor to give to the rich....when will they learn.

Shoes4Industry said...

"There are only two types of Republicans - Millionaires and Fools."

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

yeah...that's original.

Lee said...

C'mon LB if someone doesn't give up their hard-earned money to the Ninth Ward in NO nothing will ever change there. Most "victims" there are still SITTING and WAITING for the government to do it all for them. They were govenment dependent before Katrina and still are after. Guess some thing never change, do they??

Lee said...

Call me a fool, call me a millionaire - just PLEASE don't call me a liberal.

Lee said...

oops, almost forgot to remind everyone to pay their taxes - 12 million ILLEGAL aliens are depending on it.

Shoes4Industry said...

You are either one or the other or both!

Shoes4Industry said...

And a racist!

Shoes4Industry said...

Hey, guess what?

Illegal immigrants not U.S. health care burden:

Illegal Latino immigrants do not cause a drag on the U.S. health care system as some critics have contended and in fact get less care than Latinos in the country legally, researchers said on Monday.

Such immigrants tend not to have a regular doctor or other health-care provider yet do not visit emergency rooms -- often a last resort in such cases -- with any more frequency than Latinos born in the United States, according to the report from the University of California's School of Public Health.

The finding from Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the school was based on a 2003 telephone survey of thousands of California residents, including 1,317 undocumented Mexicans, 2,851 citizens with Mexican immigrant parents, 271 undocumented Latinos from countries other than Mexico and 852 non-Mexican Latinos born in the United States.

About 8.4 million of the 10.3 million illegal aliens in the United States are Latino, of which 5.9 million are from Mexico, the report said.

"One recurrent theme in the debate over immigration has been the use of public services, including health care," Ortega's team wrote in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Proponents of restrictive policies have argued that immigrants overuse services, placing an unreasonable burden on the public. Despite a scarcity of well-designed research ... use of resources continues to be a part of the public debate," they said.

The researchers said illegal Mexican immigrants had 1.6 fewer visits to doctors over the course of a year than people born in the country to Mexican immigrants. Other undocumented Latinos had 2.1 fewer physician visits than their U.S.-born counterparts, they said.

"Low rates of use of health-care services by Mexican immigrants and similar trends among other Latinos do not support public concern about immigrants' overuse of the health care system," the researchers wrote.

"Undocumented individuals demonstrate less use of health care than U.S.-born citizens and have more negative experiences with the health care that they have received," they said.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

It's pretty much pointless to even discuss anything on here Lee. These people don't even know what the word "Illegal" means, let alone grasp the concept of self responsibility.

Anybody that has anything should be required to give it to those who don't, have because they are too lazy to get off their ass and actually work.

"The government owes me because....I'm"(insert favorite victim word such as black, gay, uneducated, retarded, lazy, criminal, etc)

Lee said...

The government owes me because (all of the mentioned)...but yet I will criticize and ridicule this government endlessly.... Even a dog knows that you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.

And Shoes, I was glad to hear that the ILLEGALS have fewer visits to the doctor since they don't belong here anyway (because they are ILLEGAl, as opposed to LEGAL).
Learn the difference between the two.

Shoes4Industry said...

It's a nation of immigrants, Lee.

Lee said...

It's a nation of immirgrants, Lee.

No shit, Sherlock. My grandparents were immigrants LEGAL ones that is-not ILLEGAL. Big difference!

Shoes4Industry said...

Were they really?

Then don't you think we should have a
reasonable path to legal citizenship for anyone who wants to come to this country or might already be here with children who are legal citizens?

What are you afraid of Lee?

Someone's going to take your low paying, manual labor job?

Lee said...

Yes, they REALLY were, Shoes. Came here LEGALLLY,learned the language (didn't demand that everyone HERE learn their language), bought a house, & educated their children (actually did alot more than alot of citizens born right in this "Land of Opportunity" can't seem to do.)

We DO have a path to citizenship that LEGAL immigrants follow. And personally, I think that if one is an ILLEGAL immigrant and has a child born here, that child should be ILLEGAL, too.

Low paying, manual job? Remember Shoes, I'm a Republican and therefore (accoring to you a millionaire). And, one does not become a millionaire with a low paying, manual job, now do they?

Shoes4Industry said...

"Millionaire or FOOL", Lee.

You could be either.

Shoes4Industry said...

How about this solution, Lee...

http://tinyurl.com/2m8wcy

Anonymous said...

Specifically, the "consensus" about anthropogenic climate change entails the following:

1) the climate is undergoing a pronounced warming trend beyond the range of natural variability;
2) the major cause of most of the observed warming is rising levels of the greenhouse gas CO2;
3) the rise in CO2 is the result of burning fossil fuels;
4) if CO2 continues to rise over the next century, the warming will continue; and
5) a climate change of the projected magnitude over this time frame represents potential danger to human welfare and the environment.

These conclusions have been explicitly endorsed by:

Academia Brasiliera de Ciências (Bazil)
Royal Society of Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Academié des Sciences (France)
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
Indian National Science Academy
Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences have endorsed these conclusions:

NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

These organizations also agree with the consensus:

The Earth Institute at Columbia University
Northwestern University
University of Akureyri
University of Iceland
Iceland GeoSurvey
National Centre for Atmospheric Science UK
Climate Group
Climate Institute
Climate Trust
Wuppertal Institute for Climate Environment and Energy
Royal Meteorological Society
Community Research and Development Centre Nigeria
Geological Society of London
Geological Society of America
UK Centre for Social and Economic Research on the Global Environment
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
American Association for the Advancement of Science
National Research Council
Juelich Research Centre
US White House
US Council on Environmental Quality
US Office of Science Technology Policy
US National Climatic Data Center
US Department of Commerce
US National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
UK Natural Environment Research Council
Office of Science and Technology Policy
Council on Environmental Quality
National Economic Council
Office of Management and Budget
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
UK Natural Environment Research Council
Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology
Engineers Australia
American Chemical Society
American Association of Blacks in Energy
World Petroleum Council
The Weather Channel
National Geographic

The following companies agree with the consensus:

ABB
Air France
Alcan
Alcoa
Allian
American Electric Power
Aristeia Capital
BASF
Bayer
BP America Inc.
Calvert Group
Canadian Electricity Association
Caterpilliar Inc.
Centrica
Ceres
Chevron
China Renewable
Citigroup
ConocoPhillips
Covanta Holding Corporation
Deutsche Telekom
Doosan Babcock Energy Limited
Duke Energy
DuPont
EcoSecurities
Electricity de France North America
Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand
Endesa
Energettech Austraila Pty Ltd
Energy East Corporation
Energy Holding Romania
Energy Industry Association
Eni
Eskorn
ETG International
Exelon Corporation
ExxonMobil
F&C Asset Management
FPL Group
General Electric
German Electricity Association
Glitnir Bank
Global Energy Network Institute, Iberdrola
ING Group
Institute for Global Environmental Strategies
Interface Inc.
International Gas Union
International Paper
International Power
Marsh & McLennan Companies
Massachusetts Municipal Wholesale Electric Company
MEDIAS-France
MissionPoint Capital Partners
Munich Re
National Grid
National Power Company of Iceland
NGEN mgt II, LLC
NiSource
NRG Energy
PG&E Corporation
PNM Resources
Reykjavik Energy
Ricoh
Rio Tinto Energy Services
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Rolls-Royce
Societe Generale de Surveillance (SGS Group)
Stora Enso North America
Stratus Consulting
Sun Management Institute
Swiss Re
UCG Partnership
US Geothermal
Verde Venture Partners
Volvo

In addition, the scientific consensus is also endorsed by the CEO's of the following companies:

A. O. Smith Corporation
Abbott Laboratories
Accenture Ltd.
ACE Limited
ADP
Aetna Inc.
Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.
AK Steel Corporation
Alcatel-Lucent
Allstate Insurance Company
ALLTEL Corporation
Altec Industries, Inc.
American Electric Power Company, Inc.
American Express Company
American International Group, Inc.
Ameriprise Financial
AMR Corporation/American Airlines
Anadarko Petroleum Corporation
Apache Corporation
Applera Corporation
Arch Coal, Inc.
Archer Daniels Midland Company
ArvinMeritor, Inc.
AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals LP
Avery Dennison Corporation
Avis Budget Group, Inc.
Bechtel Group, Inc.
BNSF Railway
Boeing Company
Brink's Company
CA
Carlson Companies, Inc.
Case New Holland Inc.
Ceridian Corporation
Chemtura Corporation
Chubb Corporation
CIGNA Corporation
Coca-Cola Company
Constellation Energy Group, Inc.
Convergys Corporation
Con-way Incorporated
Corning Incorporated
Crane Co.
CSX Corporation
Cummins Inc.
Deere & Company
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
Delphi Corporation
Dow Chemical Company
Eastman Chemical Company
Eastman Kodak Company
Eaton Corporation
EDS
Eli Lilly and Company
EMC Corporation
Ernst & Young, L.L.P.
Fannie Mae
FedEx Corporation
Fluor Corporation
FMC Corporation
Freddie Mac
General Mills, Inc.
General Motors Corporation
Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
Goodrich Corporation
Harman International Industries, Inc.
Hartford Financial Services Group
Home Depot, Inc., The
Honeywell International, Inc.
HSBC - North America
Humana Inc.
IBM Corporation
Ingersoll-Rand Company
International Textile Group
ITT Corporation
Johnson Controls, Inc.
JP Morgan Chase & Co.
KPMG LLP
Liberty Mutual Group
MassMutual
MasterCard Incorporated
McGraw-Hill Companies
McKesson Corporation
MeadWestvaco Corporation
Medco Health Solutions, Inc.
Merck & Co., Inc.
Merrill Lynch & Company, Inc.
MetLife, Inc.
Morgan Stanley
Motorola, Inc.
Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc.
National Gypsum Company
Nationwide
Navistar International Corporation
New York Life Insurance Company
Norfolk Southern Corporation
Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company
Nucor Corporation
NYSE Group, Inc.
Office Depot, Inc.
Owens Corning (Reorganized) Inc.
Pactiv Corporation
Peabody Energy Corporation
Pfizer Inc
PPG Industries, Inc.
Praxair, Inc.
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
Principal Financial Group
Procter & Gamble Company
Prudential Financial
Realogy Corporation
Rockwell Automation, Inc.
Ryder System, Inc.
SAP America, Inc.
Sara Lee Corporation
SAS Institute Inc.
Schering-Plough Corporation
Schneider National, Inc.
ServiceMaster Company
Siemens Corporation
Southern Company
Springs Global US, Inc.
Sprint Nextel
St. Paul Travelers Companies, Inc.
State Farm Insurance Companies
Tenneco
Texas Instruments Incorporated
Textron Incorporated
Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc.
TIAA-CREF
Tyco Electronics
Tyco International Ltd.
Union Pacific Corporation
Unisys Corporation
United Technologies Corporation
UnitedHealth Group Incorporated
USG Corporation
Verizon Communications
W.W. Grainger, Inc.
Western & Southern Financial Group
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Williams Companies, Inc.
Xerox Corporation
YRC Worldwide Inc

I'll take this "consensus" over the 400 "scientists" handpicked by Sen Inhofe for his minority skeptics report.