Saturday, August 18, 2007

THIS JUST IN!: Fire in Skyscraper at Ground Zero- Building Stubbornly Refuses to "Collapse!"

UPDATE! Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said the building was structurally sound and not in danger of collapsing. How does he know this?!!!
Dateline Aug. 18, 2007 - A four-alarm fire in the abandoned Deustche Bank skyscraper sent a plume of gray smoke trailing above Ground Zero Saturday afternoon as firetrucks and police cars raced through lower Manhattan to reach a building already decimated by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The building burned for SEVEN HOURS but for some mysterious reason did not collapse due to fire, which has left "experts" baffled! After all, as everyone knows, fire melts steel!

56 comments:

H Nicole said...

Just a detailed report on the fire. Two firefighters killed, one from a fire company that lost 11 on 9/11.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070819/ap_on_re_us/deutsche_bank_fire

Shoes4Industry said...

We just don't understand why it's still standing! It was on fire!

H Nicole said...

It is so odd to me that there are still many, many people out there caught up on even this first, relatively small hurdle of rejecting the official government story about the fires causing all this destruction, especially when I am here trying to argue the fine details and nuances of a multi-faceted cover up -- seemingly about twenty odd steps beyond this point!

I mean, here I am thinking automatically (and why not?) that this fire may have something to do with 9/11 and that these two firemen were possibly murdered because they may have been on to something and were becoming a little too outspoken. What a sinful, paranoid thought, right? Well, it's almost sinful at this point not to even consider the possibility, I say.

We are dealing with a bunch of criminals and thugs here, Ladies and Gentlemen, and I don't think there is much more time left for mincing words. Bin Laden didn't bring down the projects. It was U, Nigga! Tell the TRUTH, Nigga!

Shoes4Industry said...

It seems this event as left the "experts" here speechless!

Randy said...

My condolences to the families of the firefighters.

After burning for more than 4 hours, this building didn’t collapse! How strange that the WTC buildings collapsed after less than an hour of burning. If anyone still believes that the WTC towers collapsed because of the fire from the airplanes, this should be proof enough that steel framed building don’t collapse because of fire. What better experiment to test this thesis could you have? You couldn’t have planned a better experiment than this.

— Posted by Randy

sunderstorm said...

No danger of collapse” because there were no demolition charges placed inside the building.

Brett said...

What if this was a fire set by 9/11 Truth members as an attempt to recreate as closely as possible the WTC 7 collapse? It too was damaged by the Towers’ debris and collapsed. Here we have a much worse damaged building that also burns and…doesn’t collapse!

Controlled demolition: live it, learn it, break free from the Matrix!

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Yeah...somebody messed up....the satellite with the super secret death ray was in the wrong orbit to dustify it...LOL

moneysmith said...

And then there's this -- a 10-story building in Tehran that was hit by an airplane half the size of the Boeing that hit the WTCs and then caught on fire, but DID NOT collapse. So apparently fire doesn't melt all steel, just the type used in the WTCs. Go figure!

Link: http://tinyurl.com/ynpwx5

Lee said...

Watched the last 30 min. about 9/11 theories on History Channel (note: Not Fox) last night.
Many experts debunked all the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

WTC: Not build like typical skyscraper
Classic progressive collapse
Burning for 7 hrs. compromised the structure
Columns didn't need to melt - only weaken
Thousands of phots were taken but NONE showed ANY evidence to indicate explosives were used

Conspiracy theorist are so emotional that they are not interested in evidence.

They are on the fringe & never trust the government. They seized this opportunity to feed their political agenda (ultimate target Bush administration).

They look for evidence to fit their theory.

They can't challenge the evidence that points to Al-quida.

Laughable that the government could keep this a secret (can you imagine this not being leaked and then not making it to the front page of the NY Times?)

Burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists.

The Loose Change bunch is not doing a THIRD edition of this movie. Seem as though they need to keep changing (for what reason?) this movie. HMMMMMMMMM.

Shirley Heezgay said...

Is anyone surprised?

Independent Investigation. That's all anyone is asking for.

Scientists and engineers and architects that are NOT chosen by the government.

Shoes4Industry said...

We watched the History Channel propaganda piece also, it might as well have been on the Fox network or Pravda.

Lee said...

So, every piece that debunks your 9/11 BS is propaganda?

Now Fox AND the History Channel is on the list of spreading propaganda. Forgot to add the Shoes4Industry blog site.

Shoes4Industry said...

What HERE is propaganda?

We are advocating a search for the TRUTH, nothing more but nothing less.

H Nicole said...

Be nice to Lee, people. He/she is obviously only just starting to question. It is why he/she is here, I hope -- looking for answers to some pesky questions deep in the recesses of the mind.

If anybody has a link to the History Channel story, that would be helpful. I don't have a TV, by choice.

We can start there and address everything the History Channel brings up, piece by piece. From what I gather, it sounds a bit disappointing, especially since somebody advertised this program on Rosie's blog last weekend as being must see TV for info on 9/11. Too bad, but it's recoverable. The truth is always recoverable, and those who truly seek it (like Lee?) will get what they seek.

Lee said...

Nicole, Nicole - Don't worry about people being nice to me. I'm not one of those sensitive souls that seem to dominate this site.

First of all, I highly doubt Rosie O. would advertise on her blog a show that debunks 9/11 myths. Remember HER blog, HER rules, HER advertisements.

Secondly, I'm not seeking the truth because I already know the truth. You on the other hand, wouldn't recognize it if it smacked you in the face. You 9/11 "Truthers" are the poor souls still searching (for what I don't know).

Don't waste your time on the History Channel-it doesn't fit your agenda. And, the History Channel has already taken each 9/11 myth "piece by piece" (including all of those in "Loose Change" and debunked all.

Shoes4Industry said...

Interesting that you would say "a show that debunks 9/11 myths" that is not how the show was promoted.

It was an obvious hit piece on the Truth.

Shameful.

H Nicole said...

From Rosie's blog on Saturday, August 18, 2007:

glassa writes:

Reminder: History Channel, Monday 8/20 at 8pm Central “The 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction” You might learn something you can’t dismiss.

Rosie writes:

ok then


Lee, I am pretty sure 757 and 767 passenger planes hit where the government claims they hit on 9/11, so I am pretty sure I disagree with the "Loose Change" gang on that point, though they do at least make some good points about the government lying to us about certain facts and information.

I really do not want to comment too much on what we are arguing about here, though, until I see the History Channel show.

Even w/o seeing the show, I at least agree with you that there could not have been so many "active participants" in a giant conspiracy on 9/11. The ideas I have aired on this site, which I try to base as much as possible on what little solid evidence and facts we do have on 9/11 to begin with, suggest the whole thing could have been carried by a relatively small core group of MEN (sorry -- always got to get the feminist dig in, especially now that it is obvious to me that you, Lee, are a man). The only catch to my proposals is, the group would have to have involved the highest level of the US government.

I am glad you don't get your feelings hurt too easily. You will do well on this site, especially if you cut down on the face slapping comments.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

It's pretty much pointless to try and have any kind of rational discussion with these people LEE. They only believe what they get off Rosie and DailyKos and the like.

Any facts that are presented are twisted to their "truth seeking" agenda, which is anything but the truth.

I'll give ya' one goodie.

FACT No other 1300+ foot tall buildings were ever hit with airplanes before. The strike points left between 55,000+ and 100,000+ TONS(Guesstimates)ABOVE the impact points that were greatly weakened by impact and fire. They seem to think that the surviving structure should have been capable of holding up the collapsing masses...visa-vie their "Brick & Plastic Cup" experiment. Which is a 3rd grade example of physics that has NOTHING to do with the scale of mass we're talking about in the WTC Towers.

Yet, THEY say, because "No other steel framed buildings ever collapsed from fire", that is proof that it was an "inside job" done with explosives, thermite, DEW, and about any other wild thing they can come up with. They can't grasp simple little facts such as sheet rock is made of gypsum, which is DUST in it's raw form, the towers did not fall at "free fall" speed, and on and on.

The term "conspiracy theory" is itself the object of a type of conspiracy theory, which argues that those using the term are manipulating their audience to disregard the topic under discussion, either in a deliberate attempt to conceal the truth, or as dupes of more deliberate conspirators"

Shoes4Industry said...

"They seem to think that the surviving structure should have been capable of holding up the collapsing masses...

And why shouldn't we think that? What changed "structurally" beneath the impact zones that would allow the upper levels to collapse at or NEAR the speed of gravity? Weren't the lower floors designed to support the weight of the upper stories? Why would they suddenly give up there "design mission" unless they were compromised or tampered with from below.

Don't throw out that "massive jet fuel" canard. 1/3 of it dissipated on impact, the rest did not burn at a very high temp.

Your theories, LeeB@200, simply defy "3rd grade logic."

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

The only thing around here that defies logic is your brain Shoes.

The buildings were built to hold a "static" load, NOT 100,000+ TONS of moving mass...are you really that dense?

I can built a frame of matchsticks to hold up 100 lbs that's NOT moving. But if I drop that same 100 lbs from 1" on the same frame of matchsticks that was just holding it up, do you REALLY think the matchsticks are going to "support" it? Come on dude, get with the program and THINK!!

Shoes4Industry said...

Perhaps, but that is not what the NIST report says, it simply states that after the steel "weakened" due to the fire, it initiated "global collapse." That's it? Sorry, we aren't buying it.

We suggest you try the "cup and brick" experiment which incidentally, figures in "moving mass" ( you are allowed to drop the brick from a reasonable height) and get back to us.

Also, how do you explain you "moving mass" and the pulverization of the concrete? Your kinetic energy can do one of two things, pancake or pulverize, not both, sorry.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

As Uncle Jed used to say about Jethro, "If that's boys' brains was lard, he couldn't grease too big a pan"

And you can talk in circles about your cup and brick all ya' want. Fact is, when 100,000+ tons of mass starts moving NOTHING is going to stop it. Especially something only built to hold a STATIC Load.

Shoes4Industry said...

Perhaps, but certainly not at or near the speed of gravity and not in conjunction with pulverization

BTW, your insults only prove our point.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

LMAO....yeah...like you've never insulted me. What goes around comes around bud. LOLPrez

Shoes4Industry said...

Need we say more?

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Hopefully not since all you spout is the same tired garbage. And "kook" wasn't my word, it was on the website I posted...don't mean I don't agree with them though.

Shoes4Industry said...

We rest our case.

Lee said...

Pieces of an article on the History Channel's piece on 9/11.

-Truthers got reamed
-In unhinged nature of truthers conspiracy is reality
-9/11 piece poked so many holes in the conspiracy theory-made it look like swiss cheese
-exposed 9/11 truther ignorance
-9/11 truthers are anti-intellectual fruit cakes
-9/11 piece was biggest hit piece against "truthers" whose real goal is George Bush

Nicole: Rosie was duped on that one.If she thought for ONE minute that the piece would debunk the truthers it would NOT have appeared on her site. NO WAY!

Shirley Heezgay said...

I am completely lost on what Lee is trying to say here.

Work out your thoughts, Lee, so I can understand your point...if you have one.

Lee said...

Shirley, Shirley: You're lost alright. The point is the piece on the History Channel showed the "Loose Change" movie & other conspiracy theorists to be totally wrong.

They totally tore apart every "Fact" the truthers came up with.

Do you get the point now?.

moneysmith said...

It must be very lonely living in that echo chamber, lee, where all you ever hear is the same moronic drivel repeated over and over again. What would you do without the occasional breaking wind from Rushbo, Falafel guy and Little Willie Kristol?

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

One thing ya' gotta' understand Lee is that conspiracy theorists live in a dream world. They have no facts, and, other than wild theories, they have nothing based on reality other than what they are told to believe by their "superiors".

They can't accept physical evidence and actuality, because it doesn't fit their "theory", so therefore, it must be a lie.

They take any and all statements/misstatements/errors, and point to them as "Proof" of a "Cover Up", or "Inside Job" by some mysterious group of "them".

Anybody who does not agree with them, like you and I, are part of the cover up, or stupid, because we don't accept their "facts".

They take the wildest theories from someone with a bunch of letters behind their name and assume that "they're smarter than us", so they must be right, again, ignoring the cold hard truth of reality.

I got one for ya'....There is NO DOUBT in my mind that JFK was killed by more than one gunman, and I have my suspicions that LHO even pulled the trigger on one shot, let alone 3 in 6.5 seconds. That comes from over 43+ years of reading EVERYTHING I could find about the assassination. Hell, I even read the Warren Report in the 5th grade in 1966 and knew it was BS. And I've been to Dealey Plaza and walked the whole area. Was there a "Conspiracy" by LBJ, CIA, Mafia, Casto, etc? I doubt it. I believe there were some rogue elements and some unchecked agents and a LOT of coincidences that led to it.

I am also just as convinced that there was no "Inside Job" on 9/11. There were a lot of screw-ups and hindsight is always better than foresight, but ANYBODY that believes Bush/Cheney/et al sat down and had a late night meeting and plotted the towers collapse is an idiot.

Shoes4Industry said...

With that and two slices of bread, you can make a baloney sandwich.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Actually, I'm a SPAM man, preferably fried like Grandma used to make.

Lee said...

MS - The only "same moronic drivel I hear repeated over and over again" is right here from you, Shirley, Shoes & Nicole.

LB@200 - I hear you loud and clear.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

I hear ya' Lee. These peeps have their talking points and rebuttals down pat. Everything they say is truth, and freedom of expression, and truth seeking, and on and on. They show the classic "conspiracy mentality". They don't understand, so therefore it must not be true and the "evil" people are behind it all. They literally can't see the forest for the trees. I actually pity them.

Disagree with them and you're a hater, a name caller, right wing liar, a government agent, and everything else they can think of to insult someone who actually has an open mind and can reach their own decision instead of repeatedly saying "they" said so, so it must be true.

They supposedly are all for freedom of speech, but disagree, and they call you a troll and wonder why you're even posting since you don't agree with them and see things the way they do.

Ya' want a good laugh go to the lawsuit thingie they have for Morgan Reynolds or whatever his name is....talk about a joke.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

here 'tis....

http://tinyurl.com/2fvgnv

unbelievable!!

Shirley Heezgay said...

"....and everything else they can think of to insult someone who actually has an open mind... "

Like lookin' into a mirror, ain't it?!

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

I'm not afraid to face the truth...

Shoes4Industry said...

Then please respect and keep an open mind to those who are pursuing the Truth and not following the "party lyin'" about 9/11.

Thanks.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

I'm the only one around here with an "open" mind, other than a few other anons and such. Anything I say or they say contrary to your opinion is right wing lyin' government agent, troll, hate speech, yadadyada yada....you are the one's who are buying the big LIE from a bunch of fame and fortune seekers who are conspiracy minded anti-social introverts.

Do you REALLY think that The US Government used Directed Energy Weapons/Thermite/CD or whatever, to kill 3000+ Americans and people from 40-50+ different countries? HUH? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

And don't give me that same old tired investigate the truth, we don't know/ blahblah garbage....that's your standard canned response.

Do you REALLY think that GWB/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair/whoever, sat down in a smoke filled room and actually DID IT?

Security lapses, oversights, hijackers in jail and released, airport security screw ups...you betcha' it was a comedy of errors that allowed 9/11 to happen along with the help of determined terrorists......BUT

Do you REALLY think The US Government did this to it's OWN PEOPLE?

Answer the question yes or no...

Shirley Heezgay said...

"Answer the question yes or no...

Do you REALLY think that The US Government used Directed Energy Weapons/Thermite/CD or whatever, to kill 3000+ Americans and people from 40-50+ different countries? HUH? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

I don't think DEW were used. I don't understand thermite.

Do you REALLY think that GWB/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Blair/whoever, sat down in a smoke filled room and actually DID IT?

I think they sat in a smoke filled room and agreed that a new Pearl Harbour was in order.

Do you REALLY think The US Government did this to it's OWN PEOPLE?

I really think that the US Gov LET it happen to it's own people.

It wouldn't be the first time.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Finally, a straight answer...we're not that far off on several things, it's a matter of perspective.

I think there were lapses in security. Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/CIA/
Israelis/etc. I wouldn't say they "let" it happen, just that they were trying to be "nice" on the world stage and shoulda' whacked a bunch of them starting back in the 80's.

And you're talking PNAC/Pearl Harbor theory/story. They didn't "plan" it, but they knew something like that would eventually happen and realized the implications thereof when it finally did happen.

And you can Wiki Thermite, not Thermate. It's technically not an Explosive, it's an Incendiary. It may have what appears to be "explosive" properties/appearances, but it's not an Explosive such as Nitro/C4/RDX, etc. I worked with Dynamite and Plastique in the mining business. You could take a hammer to Plastic explosive and it would not go off. Take a hammer to a stick of dynamite and BOOM! There are different types of initiators for different grades/types of explosives.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

http://tinyurl.com/2uwces

some more history for ya'...and it's not Clinton bashing, it's history.

Shoes4Industry said...

Do you REALLY think The US Government did this to it's OWN PEOPLE?

Based on their performance over the last 6 years, we would not be surprised if they DID do this to their own citizens. They have done far worse.

The issue is: WE DON'T KNOW, and neither do YOU.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Can't even answer a simple yes or no question can ya' Shoes....and it's painfully obvious you don't know...

And your "the last 6 years" is unadulterated Bush Bashing...it's all GWB's fault...lame, man, lame...

Shoes4Industry said...

and neither do you know...

Well, who's been "The Decider" for the past 6 years, running the country down the tubes?

Shirley Heezgay said...

Which is why sites like this exist!

We (ALL OF US) don't know.

You have questions, too, LB, but you can't possibly be so unbelievably arrogant to not be open to the tiniest possiblity that there is more to it.

I just really find it so difficult to accept that some desert crawlers had the intelligence and capacity to overtake 4 jetliners with boxcutters.

I DO think there was previous knowledge, I think there MIGHT have been some help on the part of SOMEONE, and I BELIEVE that the only thing your administration did was say:

STAND DOWN.

LifeBeginsAt200MPH said...

Now there ya' go again, started to make some sense and rational statements, and now back to the propaganda...

Well, who's been "The Decider" for the past 6 years, running the country down the tubes?

STAND DOWN

Did you do your assignment on Thermite Shirley? Pop quiz tomorrow.....>;}

Shirley Heezgay said...

Ummmm....still waiting for my "assignment", poodle.

Lee said...

Shirley- Now aren't we the arrogant one! You find it difficult to believe that "some desert crawlers" had the intelligence and capacity to take over jetliners? Fooled you didn't they? Don't underestimate what they are capable of. Not to worry though, Shoes they are phony and don't really exist.

Shirley Heezgay said...

I hate to break it to you, but you're the one who has been fooled. Brainwashed, actually.

Those intimidating, shining and gleaming half-inch blade could be enough to take anyone down.

I guess you're right. That would explain how 4 planes flew off course over a period of 80 minutes without any military intervention.

Those arabs must have had some kind of magical, electromagnetic powers! Wow.

I'm so sorry for being so arrogant.

Better arrogant than clueless.

Lee said...

Those Arabs are on TV always telling us what they're plans are for us and the the rest of the world but why beleive them? And you call me clueless & ignorant.

They don't need any magical, electromagnetic powers. All they need to do is have people like yourself doubting that they are serious with their threats, becoming complacent, and BRAINWASHING them into believing everthing is the fault of this country.

You, my dear, are the one that is CLUELESS,IGRORANT and BRAINWASHED.
As your pal Rosie would say - WAKE UP or OPEN YOUR EYES.

Shirley Heezgay said...

Care to address the 80 minutes without a single jet fighter dispatched over American skies?

...and I know you've heard the tapes...

"Is this real world or exercise?"
"Real world."

Shoes4Industry said...

The Operational Execution of 9/11

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson | Updated September 20 2004

For almost three years since 9/11 independent researchers have stockpiled individual smoking guns which prove that the official version of events was not only a lie but operationally impossible.

However, no single smoking gun has yet been forwarded to explain why air defenses categorically reversed Standard Operating Procedure and failed to respond to hijacked jetliners.

Until now. More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11.

It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.

The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked. Click here for that article.

The drill scenario also explains a comment made by air traffic control personnel which was featured in a July 2004 BBC television report. Click here for that video clip and article. The controller is told that a hijacked airliner is heading for New York and responds by saying, "is this real world or an exercise?"

Alex Jones was one of the first to highlight the wargames in his documentary film 'Masters of Terror', which was released in August 2002. Click here to watch a video clip. Alex explains why the Associated Press later had to admit the fact that the CIA were running drills of crashing planes into buildings on the morning of 9/11.

What were the drills called and what was their nature?

1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.

2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?

3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.

4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.

5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.

Another example of how air defenses were purposefully kept preoccupied so they couldn't protect New York was reported by this website in December of 2003. The Air National Guard's 177th Fighter Wing, based at Atlantic City International Airport in Pomona, were just eight minutes away from New York and could have intercepted both Flight 11 and Flight 175.

Under NORAD procedures that date to the Cold War, two F-16 fighters from the 177th were parked around the clock on the Atlantic City runway. Pilots waited in a nearby building, ready to scramble.

But on the morning of 9/11, the F-16's were performing bombing runs over an empty stretch of the Pine Barrens near Atlantic City after being decommissioned from their usual role of protecting the skies of the east coast.

It was only after both trade towers were hit that the two F-16s landed and were refitted with air-to-air missiles, then sent aloft.

Now that we have established how NORAD were confused, delayed and distracted by the numerous wargames, the next question to ask is who if anyone was aware of which planes were 'real world' and which planes were 'exercise'? The answer to this question will provide us with the name of the individual who ran the operatonal execution of the 9/11 attack.

Dick Cheney

Cheney was initially taken by the secret service to an underground bunker in the White House called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.

From there, according to CNN, Cheney directed the US government's response to the unfolding attack.

Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:

"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the 'order' was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.

Mineta stated that he did not know what the 'order' was because he wasn't there when it was made.

After the Pentagon was hit, Cheney was transfered to another bunker in what the Philadelphia Daily News describes as 'the underground Pentagon'.

Site R, a highly secure complex of buildings inside Raven Rock Mountain near Blue Ridge Summit, Pa., close to the Maryland-Pennsylvania state line and about seven miles north of Camp David, is a 53-year-old facility conceived at the start of the Cold War as an alternate command center in the event of nuclear war or an attack on Washington.

The bunker is built into a mountain hillside and is virtually camouflaged to the naked eye. The location betrays itself by the vast gaggle of satellites, microwave towers and antennae that festoon the perimeter. Inside the facility there are computer filled caverns and communication and tracking technology that would put a James Bond movie to shame.

The entire facility is guarded by heavily armed military police.

Within hours of 9/11 unfolding, five choppers had landed on the facility's helipad and top officials such as Paul Wolfowitz were ushered in to join Cheney in the command bunker.

Site R - also known as Raven Rock or the Alternate Joint Communications Center is from where vice-President Dick Cheney ran the aftermath of the 9/11 attack. Cheney's command superceded the orders of the Pentagon, the FAA or the White House. He is the number one suspect in the murder of nearly 3,000 innocent people.

In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.

The smoking guns of 9/11 are no longer disparate jigsaw pieces that serve to just raise more questions than they answer. We now have a coherent and plausible explanation of how the events unfolded, why there was no air defense response, and a prime suspect as to who executed these actions. The facts fit this version of events.

The 9/11 truth movement has just taken a giant leap towards dismantling the lies of September 11and finally offering justice for those who lost their lives on that terrible day.